S.M.A.R.T tests removed in 25.10 (Goldeye)

[Canadianhummus]

I was surprised when I was unable to find the built in tool S.M.A.R.T tests in the GUI for testing your drives in true NAS.

NOTE* You should still be able to run in cron jobs

 

 

25.10 (Goldeye) Version Notes | TrueNAS Documentation Hub

 

How do you guys feel about this feature being removed?

 

Edited 22 hours ago by Canadianhummus

[G-M0N3Y-2503]

It sounds like there are still alerts of some sort, surely they are comparable. 

[Todd Miller]

S.M.A.R.T tests must be incorporated in some way otherwise what is Scrutiny using?  It doesn't seem to run it's own tests yet is says it get updates at 7pm today (and it says that every day).

[Canadianhummus]

3 hours ago, Todd Miller said:

S.M.A.R.T tests must be incorporated in some way otherwise what is Scrutiny using?  It doesn't seem to run it's own tests yet is says it get updates at 7pm today (and it says that every day).

I do not think smart tests are incorporated in scrutiny because one of my disks is reporting a failed status in scrutiny yet is passing with flying colors (No errors) in smart tests (Ran through shell)....

scrutiny:

S.M.A.R.T test:

Edited 16 hours ago by Canadianhummus

[Todd Miller]

Sorry, my misstatement.  If I am not mistaken, SMART is a technology built into drives.  So if I have that right that means TrueNAS didn't "turn off" the testing, I just stopped listening.  That being said and considering the fact that drive health is so important, I share your concern.  It becomes a who do you trust in this case. 

Now, the bigger question is this.  What do you want done about it?  If this is a PSA and you are saying watch out for Scrutiny because you got conflicting results then you will need to find a better tool and Eshtek may have to reconsider it as a curated app.  I'm sure if you find an app that is clearly better, the devs will add it to the list of app to be considered for curation.  Others will also try it and those folks working on scripts as well may get something built sooner leaving the devs free to continue on their current assignments.  If you are saying TrueNAS needs to add it back then good luck but you will need to take that to the TrueNas forums.  I would think there is already a long discussion about why they pulled it.  If you are saying HexOS should have monitoring built in, well there I think we part ways.  It's not that I disagree about having the information.  I just don't think the core HexOS tool is the place for it.  Could they do it?  Hm, they could certainly do something but why would they?  I'm thinking that is why Scrutiny was curated so quickly.  This way you can find something you like and trust and they get to spend more time working towards 1.0.  For Eshtek this is another potential Immich situation in that something outside their control was changed/eliminated and they inherit the support and cleanup.

I'm not trying to convince anybody they are right or wrong in their opinion here.  I just want to remind everyone while this is still a small question that this is a business  HexOS will be a curated version of what we ask for.  If there is a major outcry for HDD monitoring, the devs will create it.  If we want other built in technologies, we will probably get them.  But at that point Eshtek may start asking who is going to pay for that.  I don't want to get into that world like Plex and Jellyfin, where if I want something like a TV program guide I pay extra.  It has been pretty clear from the beginning that this product is wrapper around TrueNAS to make management simpler.  Maybe interpreter is another way to think of it.  TrueNAS is not as complicated as we think.  Yes dataset management can be hard.  Yes security can be hard.  Yes general upkeep can be hard so HexOS will take the edge of it, not replace it.  Set aside the investment into the Anyraid project for the moment (my apologies if I got the name wrong).  Beyond that there isn't anything really new within HexOS.  No new technology, just a cleaner simpler way to manage TrueNAS.  Ny local community college has three adult extension classes on TrueNAS development and management.  Maybe I will have to take those classes yet because most debugging and fixes require you to go into TrueNas.  But as for today I will keep an up to date backup of my data and the NAS and will keep watching Youtube videos when Plex stops allowing external access because like almost everything in my situation, that's just not a HexOS issue.  SMART being removed isn't HexOS' fault.  Immich wasn't HexOS' fault.  The NAS not being able to connect...  Well that might be HexOS' fault but we'll see.  Lets let the devs finish the initial production release then see what is missing.  In the meantime if you find a good backup package or SMART monitor or anything else you can't believe exists because it's so great, let everyone know.  The HexOS repository has 300+ app and docker seems to have thousands throughout Github.  Some of those packages have to be outstanding and HexOS just needs to run them, not reinvent them.

[Canadianhummus]

I think you hit it on the nail with "who do you trust"... I just wanted to bring it to the attention of the community because I was not sure how folks are monitoring the health of their drivers. I for one was relying on smart tests but once it was removed from the GUI it made me look for alternatives. The reason it was removed from the GUI according to truenas is because the majority of the pools being used are not machinal drives and the smart tests only apply to mechanical drives. I think moving forward I am going to use both, cron jobs for smart tests since mine are still mechanical drives and these tests are very much still relevant and also see what scrutiny has to say. having said that, I just would have loved single source of truth and I do think that bouncing back and forth between the 2 is not efficient and it needs to be clearly stated which is the gold standard (single source of truth).