Q3 update question - Moving to Fangtooth from Electric Eel

[Patto647]

Ahoy, did a quick look but couldn't find an answer, 

So do we know if HexOS will be moving to TrueNAS Fangtooth or Goldeye for the next release "Q3"?

Im running a intel N355 and Electric Eel 24.10 doesn't seem to detect a few features of the processor (Onboard Graphics) and Network interfaces, I assume this is kernel related with 24.10 relating the N355 release.

When I force upgrade TrueNas to Fangtooth 25.04 the onboard graphics start working but it breaks the HexOS interface. 

[zipityzi]

I suspect it will be Fangtooth (25.04), since the "Q3" update ought to ship in September. TrueNAS has estimated Goldeye (25.10) ships stable in October (10 = 10th month = October).

Two theories, at least, I think:

Slower: HexOS likely started "Q3" before 25.10 had a public beta. So HexOS builds on the current stable release at the time, which was 25.04. So most HexOS releases will lag behind the TrueNAS release. 

Faster: HexOS, by virtue of partnering with TrueNAS, has access to the 25.10 builds earlier than we plebians. That means HexOS starts with an earlier non-public TrueNAS release. 

I'm leaning towards the slower version, as that removes some variables and is easier for HexOS. And, for us, hopefully it means fewer bugs as we'll get a slightly maturer version of TrueNAS, not unlike TrueNAS Enterprise which also lags stable now.

Hopefully we get the official answer in the next two weeks.

Edited Thursday at 04:53 AM by zipityzi

[Todd Miller]

Where have you read that they are going to 25.anything?  It would seem odd they would make a jump like that without us ever testing using that version.

[Avari]

so long as plans didn't change the Q3 update won't be going to 25.x. The 1.0 will be going to 25.10 and 25.04 will be skipped.

 

[zipityzi]

22 hours ago, Todd Miller said:

Where have you read that they are going to 25.anything?  It would seem odd they would make a jump like that without us ever testing using that version.

A month ago on /r/hexos, empahsis mine:

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While this is definitely the plan for the future, we don’t have the VM support just yet (we postponed that feature for 2026). In addition, I would wait for us to upgrade to 25.10 later this year if you were going to play around with VMs in the TrueNAS UI. Really good improvements are coming!

If we assume the slower track,

Q3 (beta) runs on TrueNAS 25.04

Q4 (stable) runs on TrueNAS 25.10

Eshtek's communication is kind of sporadic; their website ought to be the souce of ground truth for key announcements, like a good old chronological blog. 

Edited Friday at 03:01 PM by zipityzi

[Todd Miller]

Oh great, now we have multiple "official" sources of information.  And just to be clear, the calendar third quarter is July 1st to September 30th.  That's about twelve days. to Q4.  Yeah I know Eshtek is well within their rights to create their own financial calendar that could put the end of Q3 in December like many large corporations.  But until we hear differently, we are still in beta with no official release.  Just for context I pulled the following definition of beta from google.  "A beta refers to the stage in software development where a product is released to a select group of users for testing and feedback before its official launch. It allows developers to gather valuable insights, identify and fix bugs, and make improvements based on user experiences.".  I am in the beta because I contributed my cash to the cause like most everyone else in the forums.  And correct me if I am wrong but buying into a beta is pretty common, especially on windows or in the gaming world.  If the beta needs more work we would just have to accept that but that goes both ways.  Saying something coming in Q3 without establishing what Q3 mean and if that expectation is still true is as important and the user community accepting change without clubbing a company over the head with old estimates (if that company is honest and gives updated estimates).

Can we establish where the official source is (and if you think you already have, you have completely underestimated a user community ability to wreck your perfectly good plan).  And can we stop saying "we didn't promise anything" followed up by "we have already said that would be in the third quarter".  Those are quotes take directly from the forum under the title VM & version 1.0.  And even though this is a good example of the clubbing with old posts I said we shouldn't do, it is also a good example of this makes perfect sense to the poster but not the audience.  

Takeaways:  User community stop using passive aggressive tactics to try to get your own personal additions unless specifically asked for like "What apps would you like to see next".  Developers/moderators/leadership you are physically incapable of over communicating at this juncture of the project.  And as I said above, if you think you already have, you have completely underestimated a user community ability to wreck your perfectly good plan.

I am so excited about this application and it potential that I have told more that 100 people about it.  While many are taking a more conservative approach and waiting for things like the announcement of the monthly price, I have a couple candidates for the buddy backup when it comes available.  And as I have said before, this app is already a success for me.  I just hope we can start tightening things up soon.

[zipityzi]

Fully agreed; with HexOS 1.0 stable claimed to be months away, this is when communication needs to be clear and simple. I'm assuming (and we all know what that means) that Eshtek uses calendar quarters, not made-up financial quarters. Thus, pieced together from the little I can see:

Q2 (current beta) is based on 24.10.x

Q3 (coming beta before Sept 30) may be based on 25.04.x

Q4 (coming stable before Dec 31) may be based on 25.10.x

I agree; Eshtek ought to put all release information into a chronological blog, IMO (or any one source) Some things are only on reddit, some things only in the forums, some things only on the website, some things only in YouTube interviews, etc. Now, I haven't bought the lifetime license yet so maybe those forums are more regimented. I'm waiting to see this communication at least a little more consistent and open.

Edited 13 hours ago by zipityzi

[Soong]

Yes it would be nice if there was a dev blog somewhere with more regular updates. The blog on the main website hasn't had anything since May.