TrueNas 25.04

[Nathan Samson]

Is there any plans to upgrade to 25.04?

I am mostly looking forward to "Configurable IP addresses for newly added Apps in the catalog are available. All existing Apps will have this support added by June 1s"

Anyone tried updating truenas anyway and seeing if the HexOS dashboard still works (I generally use it for read only data anyway, so I might be tempted to upgrade anyway...)

[freddan]

3 hours ago, Nathan Samson said:

Is there any plans to upgrade to 25.04?

I am mostly looking forward to "Configurable IP addresses for newly added Apps in the catalog are available. All existing Apps will have this support added by June 1s"

Anyone tried updating truenas anyway and seeing if the HexOS dashboard still works (I generally use it for read only data anyway, so I might be tempted to upgrade anyway...)

If you only use it for read only, please do the upgrade and let us know. If it breaks hexos then revert back before upgrading the storage pool with the new features.  If everything went according to plan, It's also interesting to know if the storage pool upgrade works fine. 

Edited Tuesday at 08:37 PM by freddan

[Mobius]

HexOS will eventually move to the most up to date stable releases of truenas. At this time there are no etas.

[ehrie]

Are there plans for TrueNAS version updates to eventually come about soon after their official release? 

[freddan]

14 minutes ago, ehrie said:

Are there plans for TrueNAS version updates to eventually come about soon after their official release? 

don’t believe the HexOS team has released *ANY* TrueNAS OS release updates since launch… 

[ehrie]

9 minutes ago, freddan said:

don’t believe the HexOS team has released *ANY* TrueNAS OS release updates since launch… 

Which is more or less my point in asking my question. At some point falling farther and farther behind current release becomes a problem in and of itself.

[Mobius]

49 minutes ago, ehrie said:

Are there plans for TrueNAS version updates to eventually come about soon after their official release? 

eventually yes, soon i don't know about that.
the team has been focused on scaling up so fingers crossed that once these growing pains are done updates will come more frequently

32 minutes ago, freddan said:

don’t believe the HexOS team has released *ANY* TrueNAS OS release updates since launch… 

this is true

[Shino]

>.> Morbid curiosity is getting the better of me. Snapshots and stuff for recovery have been made. Will report back when I have validated what does and doesn't break between TrueNAS 25.04 and HexOS

[acameron]

32 minutes ago, Shino said:

>.> Morbid curiosity is getting the better of me. Snapshots and stuff for recovery have been made. Will report back when I have validated what does and doesn't break between TrueNAS 25.04 and HexOS

Looking forward to seeing the results, as i really want to upgrade to TrueNAS 25.04 for the new VM tools

[Shino]

Followup~ Definite breaks some things in the HexOS deck dashboard.

Dash: Processor and Memory readings are completely incorrect (TrueNAS dashboard says processor is 2% while HexOS says its 98%, so I think it is flipped, showing unutilized CPU as utilized) and RAM is not showing any data on the HexOS side of things. The Network information seems to be accurate for up and down stream. HDD usage on HexOS and TrueNAS seem to be in conflict (though I didn't look at the difference before updating XD). HexOS states I have used 0.5 TB / 23.83 TB, while TrueNAS states it is 464.39 GiB / 21.22 TiB (granted, maybe TiB and TB are different units of measurement? not sure on that myself).

Folders: User creation and deletion works without a problem. Folder creation, deletion, and permission assignment works as well.

Storage: Cannot verify as I don't want to delete and remake my pool XD

Apps: Stop/Start works. Launch never worked for me before and still doesn't work. I uninstalled plex successfully. Reinstall was also successful.

Settings: All seems well here.

Final observation: Things are taking a bit more time to actually show up in the Deck dashboard for HexOS, but it is a difference of a few seconds longer. Obvious notes of "this is just my observation and applied to my setup with my hardware, etc... etc... etc...", so proceed at your own discretion XD For my case though, kinda sad the system utilization info is inaccurate on the Deck dash now, as it is nice to see that remotely, but it isn't the end of the world as I can check it at home from the TrueNAS UI.

[Mobius]

I wonder if more things will break when upgrading to the next version hexos if you are upgrading from a different version of truenas.

[Shino]

12 minutes ago, Mobius said:

I wonder if more things will break when upgrading to the next version hexos if you are upgrading from a different version of truenas.

That is a definitely interesting thought. I would imagine/hope that when the HexOS team makes their update, it would include an updater for the TrueNAS side as well (possible either downgrading or otherwise just refreshing some kind of settings? not sure on how that side works). I will be sure to followup with it whenever HexOS pushes their next version ^_^ definitely one of those things that I imagine should be tested as there are those of us users who are advanced enough to feel comfortable playing with the TrueNAS side of things but want the HexOS side as an option, and I believe that many of us will be likely to update things on TrueNAS without much thought XD

With that, currently debating if the hardware status break is an issue worth making a "bug" report over since while it is an explicit user decision going into the TrueNAS side regardless of the warnings they give, but is also something that can easily happen if someone does go into the TrueNAS side and sees "oh, there is an update? Don't mind if I do~"

[Mobius]

Updating truenas is something the team explicitly said not to do and that it is an unsupported usecase.

So making a bug report probably would not get acted on by the team. 

However it'll probably be appreciated by anyone looking up update truenas.

[Shino]

Yup XD I'll make an FYI post in Setup & Installation's category, since that seems like an appropriate section. As it is an interesting bit of information, like you said, it will probably be appreciated by those who might be wanting to know the potential things to expect if they were to attempt it to better be informed.

[ehrie]

I'm just eager to get access to LXC containers in TrueNAS so while I think I could do this too, I want to continue to support the HexOS path and will wait for the official upgrade so I can best support the project. I'll check back in a month or so and see where my willpower is though. 😛

[Sonic]

15 hours ago, acameron said:

Looking forward to seeing the results, as i really want to upgrade to TrueNAS 25.04 for the new VM tools

The HexOs is / was waiting for the TrueNas 25.04 release. This release will be the fundament for VM support in HexOs

See:

https://hexos.com/blog/hexos-q1-status-update

Quote:

Rescheduling VM Support

Similar to what happened with Docker, iXsystems is in the process of migrating TrueNAS SCALE to a new VM and Linux Container management environment in their next major release, 25.04. Incus promises to provide a few key feature improvements, including a better web-based VNC agent. As such, focusing on VM management features in the short term didn’t make sense given that the ground would be moving beneath our feet. Furthermore, in temperature checking our current community, it appears that increasing application support and buddy backups are of a higher desire. It is for these reasons we have lower the priority of VM features. Keep in mind, you can still create VMs within TrueNAS itself, and we will give you start/stop controls from our Command Deck dashboard for them.